Hi Steve, After mentioning a cheap apochromat I looked up my reference: Book two of Amateur Telescope Making, page 417, published by Scientific American 1959. The article starting on page 417 is entitled The Camera Obscura and on page 422, the author (Horace E. Dall) writes: "I have only 4-1/4" aperture, but remember that I have aimed at getting as near to optical perfection as I can achieve. I chose a pair of Chance Bros. melts - a hard crown and a special telescope flint, the crown having a ud of 1.515 and the telescope flint only 1.530 (approx.), which enabled me to get what is, for me, an unheard of coincidence of focus for four colors of the visible spectrum, viz., h, F, D, and C. The quaternary spectrum left over is less than a tenth of the usual secondary of a normal flint and crown doublet, and to ordinary observation, astronomical or terrestrial, false color is non-existent." Years later I read in a photography magazine under New Developments that objectives had been invented that seemed similar to that made by Mr. Dall. I wrote Scientific American and they wrote back that Mr. Dall was in his 90's and would be pleased to know about it, but I don't know if anyone ever contacted him. The article also had a picture taken by Mr. Dall with his lens and it shows a 6" church drainpipe (better seen in the original) at 17 miles distance. I kept the letter but seem to have hidden it from myself and hope that my memory hasn't played any tricks. Seems to me that he was decades ahead of the rest of the crowd. - Frank Wilson PS: I don't have permission for the above quote from the book and hope I'm not violating any laws. (I'm sure the judge will take that into consideration Frank - SN)